Franklin Graham: Obama May Secretly Be A Muslim, Santorum And Gingrich Are Definitely Christian

Soooo,freedom of religion??? His mom was a white Christian?

Even if you're born Muslim,you cannot become anything else for fear of execution by derrrr gop???

There's no such thing as converting?

Speaking of conversion,derrr gop needs to convert back to reality. Seriously. Sheesh.

These folks really are nuts. I swear. They say anything and everything in between nothing. How's that strike ya'?

What's pissing him off is that Obama has not $piritually consulted with Graham.

Graham, from his comments, does not seem terribly spiritual.

Even if you're born Muslim,you cannot become anything else for fear of execution by derrrr gop???

Especially if you have the temerity to not be white.

God's plan for Franklin DID NOT include letting Franklin mouth-off his opinion on who merits as a Christian.

I guarantee that this world has seen holier men who are Buddhists, Muslims, Jewish, agnostics and DEMOCRATS.

Franklin Graham: Obama May Secretly Be A Muslim, Santorum And Gingrich Are Definitely Christian

and you Mr. Graham, you are definitely an idiot!

What about that part in the bible that talks about how people are not supposed to judge lest they be judged. I thought he being a true Christian was supposed to know and live by the word.

Graham is showing himself to be a political hack that's trying to do his bit to elect a republican because the republican party has become the official legislative arm of the Christian church, and always stands ready to do the church's bidding.

No doubt Graham would love to have Saintorum in the White House because he already pushes the religious right agenda. Although Saintorum is Catholic, Graham most likely figures he could still get in there and be a presidential advisor, after all they both have so many moral issues in common.

Once in the White House they would no doubt start work on how to undermine separation of church and state.

Yeahus BRUTHUH - Gimme a BIG AMEN!

The father was tolerable - the son is a POS (that's PIECE OF SHIITE!)

Becks thats what I have been pounding on....people who disagree with this crap need to leave the churches, but that does not mean turn around and just go to another one....church is such a joke, I can't believe people even go to them anymore.

franklin has his nose so far up the elephant's ass he has forgotten the religion of his father. Reich trash nazi scumbag!

his father was the same kind of jerk..don't be fooled

don't have a beef with Billy.......he's certainly more of a Christian that franklin ever could be but that really isn't saying much.

Journalist, columnist, and television commentator Bill Moyers recently wrote that “for the first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of power in Washington.” Ever since Abraham Vereide, a misguided immigrant to this country who brought very un-American ideas of Nazism and Fascism with him in his steamer trunk, the so-called “Christian” Right has long waited to take the biggest prize of all – the White House. Moyers correctly sees the Dominionists or “End Timers” as being behind the invasion of Iraq. He cites the Book of Revelation that states, “four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates will be released to slay the third part of man.” Such words may have their place in Sunday School and in church halls but using such thinking to launch wars of convenience or religious prophecy have no place in our federal and democratic republic. Moyers also rightly sees fundamentalist thought behind Bush’s “faith-based initiatives” and the rolling back of environmental regulations.

Hundreds of millions of people around the world no longer feel the United States is a country that can be trusted. They feel the people who run the affairs of state are out of control and dangerous. Considering the hold the Fellowship and their like-minded ilk have on the United States (and some of its allies) they are correct in their fears.

The political and religious dynasties who have embraced the Fellowship, Vereide, Fascism, Moon, Buchman, Moral Rearmament and all of their current and past manifestations, hatreds, and phobias show no sign of ceding power any time soon. There are many such father-son dynasties that hope to ensure a continuation of their shameful racketeering and political chicanery under the corporate “logo” of Jesus: George H. W. Bush to George W. Bush; Douglas Coe to David Coe; Billy Graham to Franklin Graham; Oral Roberts to Richard Roberts, Pat Robertson to Gordon Robertson; Jerry Falwell to Jonathan Falwell; Jeb Bush to George P. Bush; Robert Schuller Sr. to Robert Schuller, Jr., and Sun Myung Moon to at least nine sons (who are known about).

For them and their followers, they should keep in mind something Jesus said, “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.”

source: http://insider-magazine.org/christianmafia.htm

By the way, Pres. candidate Rick Santorum is a member of the fore-mentioned "Fellowship". If you read the entire article, it's not too difficult to see where Rick Santorum and Franklin Graham get their arrogant sanctimonious views from and where they want to lead us.

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Women are treated as property in the bible. Why would a "Christian" America be any different?

Oh, I'd say people have to watch out for All leaders of All Religions being not what they proclaim.

Oh, nonsense. I am the Antichrist, and y'all know it!

No, you're not, TBM. My husband called me the Anti-Christ the other night at dinner....and he is NEVER wrong. Just ask him.

robinm, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dolly - I'm not Catholic - I come from a whole line of Southern Baptists and I'm offended!

This is just the type of garbage that Santorum and Friends are pulling. Surely you are not placing yourself in their league.

You start down the road of denouncing people as the anti-christ and you're verging on a shifting reality. Not stable ground.

LOL. Well, I guess I will just have to be more evil to regain my title.

By "evil" I mean "recklessly and arrogantly thinking for myself with impunity." That is usually what upsets the fundies about me.

LOL. Well, I guess I will just have to be more evil to regain my title.

By "evil" I mean "recklessly and arrogantly thinking for myself with impunity." That is usually what upsets the fundies about me.

Ok....I have 2 different types of Darwin fish and a FSM sticker on my car. I live in the Bible Belt, and I love to flaunt my agnosticism. What have you done lately to earn the title of Anti-Christ?

(you're on, Pal)

Robinm - you do live dangerously!

(had to look up FSM - ha!)

yeah...it can be kinda scary sometimes. I drive a Ford Escape so it's a good safe car, but I get these dudes in big pickup trucks tailgating me and it's not because I'm going 60 in the slow lane....

Franklin Graham may secretly be a hypocritical religious bigot,

Nothing secret about it.

isn't it convenient that the contact form at billygraham.org doesn't work

Nothing secret about it.

Indeed there isn't...

i wonder if ole Franky ever heard the Nixon tapes with his father and Nixon bashing the Jews.

I guarantee he heard them, and he agreed with every word.

i wonder if ole Franky ever heard the Nixon tapes with his father and Nixon bashing the Jews.

Just in case any of you reading this missed my earlier post:

The Nixon tapes reveal that in 1972, Nixon, Graham, and H.R. Haldeman had a conversation in the Oval Office in which the Jews were targets:

Graham: “This [Jewish] stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain.”

Nixon: “You believe that?”

Graham: “Yes, sir.”

Nixon: “Oh, boy.” So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.”

Graham: “No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something.”

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Graham: “By the way, Hedley Donovan has invited me to have lunch with [the Time Magazine] editors.”

Haldeman: “You better take your Jewish beanie.”

Graham: “Is that right? I don’t know any of them now . . .A lot of Jews are great friends of mine . . .They swarm around me and are friendly with me because they know that I’m friendly with Israel. But they don’t know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country.”

Nixon: “You must not let them know.”

source: http://insider-magazine.org/christianmafia.htm

I urge you to read the rest of the article "The Christian Mafia" for an insight to how radical these freaks really are and what a huge danger they pose to not only the US but the world !

Graham: “This [Jewish] stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain.” Nixon: “You believe that?”

See, this is why this image of Billy Graham as some greater version of his lesser son doesn't fly. Franklin learned his bigotry from someone. He's just not as smooth a liar and fraud as his father was, that's all.

ALL Televangelists are frauds, liars, bigots, and useless pieces of @!$%#. All of them prey on the fearful, in order to gin up donations to support their otherwise completely worthless existences. If someone can find a televangelist who is NOT a shameless, lying, theiving pimp for Jesus please give me an example.

Otherwise, I assume on sight that Televangelists are there to terrorize little old ladies into signing over their Social Security checks, so that they can continue to live their effort-free lives of spewing hatred and lies into a camera.

what is 'the fruit of a Christian'? far as i know, they can be just as much a sinner as anyone else. in some cases even worse.

resident Obama's profession of faith in Christ rings hollow because he does not stand for Biblical moral values.

he lives moral values, great father, great husband,compassionate,loving, etc.

And I think that Newt is a Christian, at least he told me he is.

He talks a lot about his values but lives little to none of them. liar,cheater,adulterer, greedy, arrogant,judgmental

If this is an example of Fruit of a christian I'll stick to meat and veggies.

Well said!

Franklin Graham's point seemed to be that President Obama's profession of faith in Christ rings hollow because he does not stand for Biblical moral values.

I actually see more Christian moral values out of Obama than any of the republicans who are on fox, in congress, on any rightwingnut talk radio, and many evangelicas & catholics... and any of the candidates who ran or are running.. Jon Huntsman was the only one who is comparable...

he does not stand for Biblical moral values. In fact, Obama opposes many of these values.

And who made you the final arbiter of "Biblical moral values?"

Franklin Graham's point seemed to be that President Obama's profession of faith in Christ rings hollow because he does not stand for Biblical moral values

as well franklin broke one of the big ten...

And who made you the final arbiter of "Biblical moral values?"

The angel of self-righteousness came down from Heaven, and bestowed upon John Kohler the Scepter of Judgement. duh. He is capable of determining Obama's opposition to many Biblical "values" without making any attempt at substantiating - stating it as if it is fact without bothering to consider just what values to which he is referring. VALUES dagnabbit, VALUES!

It appears someone has bought the rhetoric hook-line-sinker. Pundits say it enough, and you have people parroting it without thinking FOR THEMSELVES "just what values are they talking about?"

So, John, I will ask you - to what values are you referring? Are these values actually Biblical; or are they political values dressed up as religious?

Are these values actually Biblical; or are they political values dressed up as religious?

I don't think conservatives can tell the difference anymore. Or maybe they don't want to be able to tell the difference. Take your pick.

Do you mean "true Christian" in the sense of a crusading, Native American genocide, slave owning, African American lynching true Christian?

Who is he to judge??? Did he miss the Sunday School lesson on judge not lest ye be judged??? Shut up Franklin, this isn't your fight to win, it's political, unless of course you want your tax exemptions to be changed. Thought that'd get your attention!!

#8.5:And who made you the final arbiter of "Biblical moral values?"

That was my first question, also! This scum is nothing but a creep and liar!

Jesus came for the sinners not the Saints,,," It would be easier for a camel, to pass through the eye of a needle,,Than a rich man to get in heaven " The vision of Christ that they see,, is my visions GREATEST enemy

John Kohler - How arrogant to take on the mantle of such authority for oneself!

Franklin did not learn this at his mama and daddy's knee, I can assure you of that.

He needs to get down on his knees and pray for a little humility. To put on such airs!

This from the man who would not allow his poor mama to be buried in her beloved hills . All for his earthly pride and greed.

What kind of man goes against their own mama's final wishes. This,this is the man who would set himself up as judge of another's Christian faith.

I think I shall leave that to God,thank you very much.

It amazes me that Franklin Graham, who is supposed to be such a Godly person, says that Gingrich, at least a two time adulterer and Lord only knows how many more we don't know about, is a true Christian. And Santorum, who is willing to throw his own wife under the bus for words he wrote in his book, and is one of the biggest liars and hypocrites, is a true Christian.

And if they were true Christians they would know they should not judge the righteousness of others, as God said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged." But, I guess they only spout the part that don't apply to themselves, only the parts that they can try to justify the wrong they do and say in His name.

All the three of them are nothing but showmen. All they do is mouth religious stuff like the religious thieves and Charlatans they are. To them religion is nothing but a money game. They use God and His name to bilk millions out of people for personal gain. Not because they are true believers.

says that Gingrich, at least a two time adulterer

and still is according to the Bible... unless his wife was an adulterer he's not supposed to ever divorce her... ever...

³¹ “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’^[f]32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

All the three of them are nothing but showmen

Pharisee's....

Ahhh...but he can get away with it, because the Catholic Church does not recognize his first 2 marriages since they were not performed in the Church. And even if he decides he doesn't want the 3rd one anymore the right amount of money in the hands of the right person will get him an annulment.

but he can get away with it, because the Catholic Church does not recognize his first 2 marriages since they were not performed in the Church.

and actually that's all that matters for newt and the hierarchy of Catholic Church how he\they look in the eye's of man.. God may have a different take.. most assuredly... they have going directly against spricture...

"...but he can get away with it, because the Catholic Church does not recognize his first 2 marriages since they were not performed in the Church."

But, Franklin Graham is not Catholic, he is an Evangelist. So what the Catholics believe about his marriages should not have anything to do with the fact that according to regular Christians, Gingrich is at least a two time adulterer, and should be held as a two time sinner. And we only have Gingrich's word that he asked for and as granted forgiveness for his adultery. One thing is for sure, there is no reason to think he won't commit any future acts of that kind no matter what he promised to wife #3. After all, she was the 'other woman' for several years in his previous marriage, to the woman who was the 'other woman' when he cheated on his first wife.

So Franklin Graham saying that Newt Gingrich is a true Christian is BS, and an insult to all the true Christians in the world.

All these a$$holes speaking for Jesus thru Leviticus. What a pathetic group

Do they no that? I am not so sure because they spend so much time quoting the Old Testament.

I am not so sure because they spend so much time quoting the Old Testament

Which is funny, because when confronted with the other ridiculous tenants in the OT they immediately write it off as being of the "old covenant" and that they are "Christians" and in the "New Covenant" and the 'old covenant' doesn't apply....

Do they seriously NOT see the hypocrisy, then, when they turn around and begin quoting Leviticus because it suits their bigotry - yet ignore the rest because of some 'new covenant' cop-out?

You either say hating gays as abominations is the WORD of GOD and refuse to eat shell-fish and follow every other of Leviticus' weird rules as the WORD OF GOD - or you reject them all as 'old covenant'.... lest you by a hypocrit, and Jesus is pretty clear as to what he thinks about hypocrits at least.

Strange, Jesus was far more clear as to what he felt about hypocrits - and said nary a word about homosexuals. That should tell you something right there.

The OT is a convenient source for radical Christians to mine for a scriptural basis not found in the NT in support of their attacks on people and practices they wish to condemn.

It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with furthering a political agenda.

Evil plastic???

LOL

maybe he had plastic surgery.

Evil plastic???

Is that the stuff they make child-proof packages out of?

his hair looks plastic

Well, why don't you just let God decide who is or is not, following in christ's footsteps, and quit pontificating.

You're no judge of who is or isn't anything.

You don't have enough information to make the call.

There is enough clear information on this topic. Christian theology is not complicated.

There are many reports on his family being Unitarian and Obama even discusses it in his own books.

No, it really isn't.

It's summed up in this, as per Jesus. "Love the Lord your God with all your mind, your soul, your heart and your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself, for in these consists all the law and the Prophets"

"Man looks on the outward appearance, while God looks at the heart"

You don't have the evidence to make the call.

You don't know whether unitarians are christian or not, its not your call to make. And you're not BORN into any religion. God has no grandchildren.

You're no judge of who is or isn't anything.

There is enough clear information on this topic. Christian theology is not complicated.

appears there are plenty of fundamentalist farright Christians out there who follow the road of the Pharisees... they love to pontificate and judge others... to flaunt their pious selves at others.. franklin graham is no different than a santorum or gingrich... they can talk all they want now.. but God alone judges who will and who won't find peace in his Kingdom... there are many that only clean the outside of the cup...

There is enough clear information on this topic. Christian theology is not complicated.

It's obvious that you don't know much about the history of Christianity.

So typically Republican to point your finger all around "you don't belong, you don't belong, you don't belong"

You're all so busy trying to get people kicked out, you've totally lost sight of the fact that the Jesus you pretend to love, gave his life to get people IN.

So typically Republican to point your finger all around "you don't belong, you don't belong, you don't belong"

for the fundamentalist right it's typical pharisee.. haven't changed in 2000 years... same people same self-righteous message...

So where is Christian theology in the Obama administration Holy Trinity of abortion, gay marriage and policies that could lead to a holocaust of Israel in the Bible? Any one can say they are a Christian it is those who do the will and follow God that are called Sons of God.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7&version=NKJV

²¹ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. ²² Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ ²³ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven

especially those who proclaim to be Christian, they should take heed of that....

Any one can say they are a Christian

yes, texasguy.. anyone...

Since I can factually say that all religions are man made bull@!$%# stories.

What is the point of trying to discuss what isn't real.

The CHEATER said recently the day he is sworn in as President he will sign an executive order undoing everything that Obama has done against religion, whatever that may be.

The take your dead fetus home for a get together with the Family religious nut job said so much @!$%# over the weekend, I am speechless.

Willard last week with his the trees are just the right height and how he loves lakes and cars and a bunch of other mumbo jumbo.

Suddenly Ron Paul seems to be the most rational of the GOP idiots, which isn't really saying much.

Obama 2012

That of course, would be his white grandparents. I presume that his black grandparents and his adopted Indoneisan grandparents attended a mosque, but Obama conveniently avoids talking about that.)

Convenient? More like those were the grandparents he knew and lived with.... I didn't know the grandparents on my mother's side, so I really wouldn't have anything to say about them.

So where is Christian theology in the Obama administration Holy Trinity of abortion, gay marriage and policies that could lead to a holocaust of Israel in the Bible?

Abortion? God killed more babies than Satan in the Bible - baby killing seems very much in line. Gay marriage? Didn't know the Bible owned the rights to define marriage, my bad. I don't remember Jesus saying much on the topic of homosexuality either, but I do remember him being pretty clear on how he felt about hypocrits. Israel holocaust policies? Puhleeeeze. Now that one is just funny... not only because it's hilariously paranoid and one-sided, but also because IT'S FLAT OUT WRONG...

You want to know why?

If Obama had policies supporting the oncoming of Armageddon, he would be BACKING ISRAEL 100% because in the Bible the Temple must be rebuilt in order to bring about Armegeddon. So the success and total dominance of the Jewish State is a biblical REQUIREMENT before the end of days.

Texasguy01

So where is Christian theology in the Obama administration Holy Trinity of abortion, gay marriage and policies that could lead to a holocaust of Israel in the Bible?

I don't know, why don't you ask the Lutherans, the Methodists, the Anglicans or any of the other Christian denominations who *don't* condemn abortion, contraception, gays or who *don't* follow the false "End Times" teachings of the Evangelicals?

Or are you like Santorum and just declaring that a large percentage of Protestant Christians, both in America and the world at large, are just "following Satan"?

What next? Calling out the Pope because he believes in man-made Global Climate Change?

anyone who goes to church and disagrees with them should stop going and giving them your hard earned money....also encourage others to quit too

"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven

especially those who proclaim to be Christian, they should take heed of that....

Any one can say they are a Christian

yes, texasguy.. anyone...

And there are way too many in the party that leans right who don't even bother practicing the lessons of Jesus. franklin, becks, lush, boner, can'tor, frothy......I can go on and on.......and probably include texasguy from his posts. Not much of a Christian there huh, tg?

Texasguy01

One needn't be Christian to live according to the teachings of Christ.

In fact, claiming to be a Christian can be a handicap if one is shown not to be one in practice.

Obama, as you have described him, seems to be a spiritual guy and that's good enough for me.

So where is Christian theology in the Obama administration Holy Trinity of abortion, gay marriage and policies that could lead to a holocaust of Israel in the Bible? Any one can say they are a Christian it is those who do the will and follow God that are called Sons of God.

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Tex that passage applies far more to Santorum and evangelizers than Unitarians and President Obama...The President is not casting aspersions of others faith, deeming millions of his countrymen to be under satanic influence....It seems those God will rebuke are far more likely to be the publicly pious and the judgers of others, and the tolerant peaceful selfless will be given easier passage...

Funny thing about abortion...Jesus nor the bible does not mention that as murder . Nor Does Jesus nor God mention Gays, and it is rightist christians that think that their 2nd coming will only occur with the destruction of Israel, indeed quite a vested interest in preventing peace rather than seeking it, as is evident by their neocon stance.

#15.16:Obama, as you have described him, seems to be a spiritual guy and that's good enough for me.

Me too. And I don't need any interpretation-by anyone- of anything christian or otherwise!

Whatever President Obama says he is means just that -to me!

Don't forget, so was his Mommy!

JESUS WAS a Jew! There was NO Christianity when he was alive.

And Jesus preached to Jews within Judaism.

Jesus was born illegitimate, a liberal and a socialist caring for the well-being of the underdog.

agagnu

Jesus was born illegitimate, a liberal and a socialist caring for the well-being of the underdog.

And the religiously righteous of His day crucified Him for it.

jmorris you are so right. We most likely would again today given the chance. If there ever is a second coming Jesus had better come armed to the teeth to fight off the religious zealots of our present day. LOL

"Jesus had better come armed to the teeth to fight off the religious zealots of our present day.

They would likely reject him as a phony, as he would debunk all their religious BS and they could not stand that.

This idea of Christian's questioning the vaildity of anothers beliefs is nothing more than dangerous

I agree, especially when some of these so-called Christians hold many of their extreme views as sacrosanct. There are the blacks are inferior because they were cursed by God. There are the God created woman to serve man. Then there are the devoted slavery is okay Christians ... because slavery was acceptable in the bible.

Real Christians would never try to incorporate such religious beliefs as I've described into public policy, would they? Franklin Graham and those like him are hiding behind the mask of Christianity. They are very dangerous people because they hold their beliefs to be sacrosanct.

Spooky

The truth can hurt, but also heal. So what if Obama is a muslim, it's not like he has enforced Sharia Law, yet.

Obama admits he is a muslim

Obamas muslim faith

Now of course we have his Indonesia, school records, were his parents put down, he was a muslim, and a citizen of Indonesia. Now Now, not to worry, he is a duel citizen. I am a duel citizen too, a citizen of the USA and a citizen of Florida.

LCS, You are going to post this BS and we are supposed to believe it? I have sons that do all sorts of things on YouTube, change things and everything else. This is your proof? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The truth can hurt, but also heal. So what if Obama is a muslim

So if he was a Muslim, who was Reverend Wright?

You can't have it both ways, LCS. Pick a bull@!$%# lie and stick with it, OK?

Seriously, I do wish they would be consistent with their lies. It gets really hard to keep track, ya know?

The lightning bolts have already hit them in the ass, but you can't tell where, because they're all assh0le!

"However, the American people will give them a pass, especially those who hate Obama."

I find it revolting that these"Christians" teach and promote so many lies and spread so much hate in God's name. I am sure they will find out how He feels about that sooner or later.