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Issa’s hearing also featured giant posters of King and other historical greats whose footsteps the panel was apparently following in, like President Kennedy, and Mohandas Gandhi.
Darrell Issa Compares His All-Male Anti-Contraception Panel To Martin Luther King
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Issa’s hearing also featured giant posters of King and other historical greats whose footsteps the panel was apparently following in, like President Kennedy, and Mohandas Gandhi.
These people are crazy.
- 38 votes
Absolutely crazy! You're right Carloz. The idea that a bunch of men trying to limit women's rights is just like what MLK did is absolutely crazy!
- 34 votes
Issa and all like him feel they have to keep the poor with kids, and deny them birth control so they will have more to work cheap and keep the rich richer. So how many kids does Issa have, 2, 5, even 10? So that means he has only screwed what 10 times, hell he has screwed his own constituents more then that.
- 17 votes
California....Whisky Tango Foxtrot!!!!!!
How the hell did this turd come to represent the Golden State?
- 22 votes
Dam, sausage fest of dumb ass white guys deciding what american women need?
Oh ya this is going to work out good...
- 19 votes
How the hell did this turd come to represent the Golden State?
Because they failed to check and see that he was full of ... Sierra Hotel India Tango!!!!
- 14 votes
(hanging head) As a Californian, I'm soooo embarrassed! This guy is a moron!
- 15 votes
I would hope that come election time the voters will pissa on Issa!
- 16 votes
I am quite embarassed too Shelby. As a Californian, WTF????
- 12 votes
a panel loaded with men discussing women's reproductive rights? right, radical right
- 14 votes
How the hell did this turd come to represent the Golden State?
He represents a very Red area south of Orange County.
- 8 votes
Happy
"men discussing womens reproductive rights"....
next thing you know they will have an all male panel on how women can achieve the perfect orgasm...
- 14 votes
yeah, b dune - like they know, especially the 'çelibate' ones
- 8 votes
I've got this feeling that this foolishness will be attacked with bi partisan support by women of every political belief. I hope.
- 7 votes
Michael in S J.....
Okay.... are there no women in that red area south of Orange County? It there are, have they been convinced by the religious right that they need to be two-legged incubators, working as domestic short order cooks with shoes being optional? It staggers the imagination!
- 13 votes
Flynavy....they are probably Stepford Wives. But.....what happens in the voting booth stays in the voting booth!
- 6 votes
God such morons...They are not required to pay for contraception thanks to the Presidents plan...the insurance companies are footing the bill in comprehensive insurance in which contraception is vital, whether for prevention of unwanted pregnancy, hormonal therapy or whatever other medicinal uses it is used for..because it makes sense and is cheaper for insurance companies to provide contraception than the $10,000 per pregnancy or $10,000s of thousands per pre mature births unwanted and ill timed pregnancies could occur... this is about control of women and their sex organs..they don't want abortion they don't want contraception they don't want sex..period and they think people will actually stop having sex if you deprive them of these things...so stupid
- 8 votes
I don't know who is crazier. Issa or the morons who elected him.
- 9 votes
Pretty sad attempt at trying to bill this as a religious freedom issue and then co-opting actual struggles for freedom.
It's so pathetic that it's kind of hilarious. It's like watching a racist redneck try to rationalize his stance by using big words they don't understand and can't even pronounce. It's pathetic, yet funny. Absurd.
Maybe someone could explain to me how this even qualifies as religious freedom - because from my point of view they are arguing for the right of a political/religious entity to deny the religious freedom of their employees.
Corporations aren't people, and neither are religious organizations - and even if they could be afforded the same rights as an individual, their rights end where another individual's rights begin.
- 5 votes
Well, based on any or all of this, the religious organizations should lose their tax exempt status!
- 4 votes
This is about cutting funding to poor and the middle class under the trumped up lie of protecting religious rights by the right wing in Congress. These guys are doing the bidding of the corporations and the insurance industry who do not want to pay for the medical care of women. They are also pandering to the religious right wing nuts (aka voters). Issa is a whore for the corporate world and needs to go away.
- 5 votes
Well, based on any or all of this, the religious organizations should lose their tax exempt status!
I think this may be what it will come to. It could be done selectively. Those religions that refuse to abide by laws that other employers have to abide by and those that are really religions and not political parties or lobbying groups dressed up to look like religions.
- 7 votes
Maybe the GOP men should start with the basics...like finding the G spot on a woman.
- 4 votes
I must be missing something in the whole controversy.
Are these democrats saying that women are being FORCED to accept jobs at faith based organizations?
Are they saying women are too stupid to know that when they freely accept a job at a Catholic organization that it IS A Catholic organization?
Surely at some during the hiring process and reading of the employee handbook it is revealed……….
Are democrats saying those women are barred from obtaining contraceptives? NO. Are they barred from asking a doctor for contraceptives? NO.
No one is being denied anything.
- 1 vote
Flynavy
Okay.... are there no women in that red area south of Orange County?
I am going to hazard a guess that the male/female split is about the same as in the Bay Area.
In 2004 the Presidential election split was 59/40 GOP. Even with the Obama phenom in 2008 the vote was 50/48 GOP. Simply being female doesn't mean you are intelligent, and we all know about intelligence in the GOP in general. ;>)
- 2 votes
Willing.Sniper (sheesh, is it really that big??)
No one is being denied anything.
Silly argument. The ACA sez everyone is entitled to health care with only a religious organization exemption. So a woman is being denied health care if a religious AFFILIATED organization does not provide contraceptive health care to its female employees.
Your argument is only valid if the woman wants to work for a church and I would think the number of women working in churches with religious convictions similar to the church's is about equal to the number of women working in churches.
- 2 votes
No one is being denied anything.
Nancy Pelosi had a good come back to that kind of thinking:
"Suppose you were a Christian Scientist, and you had an institution, and you said if people work here for us ... they cannot avail themselves of any medical treatments because that's what we believe. Would that work for you?"
- 8 votes
Am I missing something? If the Church offers jobs to non-religious folk anywhere outside of Church walls, and medical insurance through the Church offers contraceptives, and people accept such medical assistance - then isn't the church dealing with bigger problems such as not effectively spreading the word of God in a way that makes people want to follow it?
Seems to me like the Church has bigger problems than the Gov forcing them not to limit the rights of people.
If the Church truly is the word of God, and people are not listening - then forcing rules down peoples throats is not going to make any friends or turn anyone to the word of God as their friend.
If the Church were effective, and forced to offer contraceptives to employees who are convinced of the word of God and nobody accepts the contraceptive services due to their devotion to the word of God, then what has changed?
The only thing offering contraceptives changes is that it sheds light on just how ineffective the Church is in spreading the word of God in a believable, acceptable way.
Not even Churches with pews should be exempt!
If a Church is full of devoted Catholics and they have contraceptives offered to them and nobody accepts them, then the Church still gets its way and can even hold its chin up high out of being proud of its members and their choice to choose the word of God over contraceptives.
Something comes to mind about how if a tree falls and nobody is around to see it, does it make a sound?
If contraceptive services are offered to devote Religious folk who do not use contraceptives, and nobody uses them - what has changed?
Seems to me all that has changed is the situation for someone who finds themselves working for a Church or Church related biz who chooses not to follow that specific interpretation of the word of God.
Instead of simply trying to limit the options for such a women through force, it seems to me the church should work on limiting the options of such a women through spreading the word of God in a loving way so as to convince the women that another way is more optimal in Gods eyes.
- 2 votes
James
They can spread the world of God anyway that they believe but if they are breaking the law of the land and man then they should not be getting tax exemptions.
- 2 votes
#1.14 @ b dune -
next thing you know they will have an all male panel on how women can achieve the perfect orgasm...
No panel required...just Canadian Dave! ;-)
- 2 votes
Darrell Issa and those like him are hypocrites of the worse kind. On one hand, they fight tooth and nail against women's rights ... Civil Rights ... Voting Rights. Then on the other hand, they use MLK as an example of what they're fighting for. It's sickening.
- 22 votes
#2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:21 PM ESTIs Issa a NUT.
How can you have a hearing on Womens rights and exclude the Women. That is just stupid. These Republican wacko's just keep coming out of the woodwork.
What is the Speakers position on this hearing?
- 2 votes
How can you have a hearing on Womens rights and exclude the Women
You need to realize that the only way these extremists can ever get anywhere is by controlling the debate, and controlling the debate means excluding anyone who disputes their lies and biased opinions.
It is simply SOP for Issa to hold a hearing where only one point of view is permitted. The GOP did this for years to the Dems. I remember one report of a hearing where when the Democrats started to speak, the GOP shut off the CSpan cameras, turned out the lights, and left the room.
- 4 votes
How can you have a hearing on Womens rights and exclude the Women. That is just stupid
Issa would hold a civil rights panel discussion with zero blacks, latinos, asians, or women.
All of the members would be KKK and they would call it the "Fox protecting the henhouse" panel.
- 5 votes
Pablo, In a way they have already done that. Have you ever viewed the make-up of the people who attend tea party rallies? How many blacks, latinos, asians and women without their husbands do you see? That is very telling about their agenda!
- 4 votes
I think I read here on the Vine that Rev King was on the board of Planned Parenthood at one time.
Dear Cong Issa- Sorry you have the wrong anatomy parts to even have this discussion. Does this yahoo realize that women use birth control for hormonal issues, migraines (as they are influenced by hormones), space out their children and a whole host of other FEMALE issues?
I am sick an tired of people like Issa bringing famous dead people into the conversation- arggggh
- 9 votes
#3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:49 PM ESTOf all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane. -- Martin Luther King Jr.
- 7 votes
Randy, great quote! and notably from his speach:
Family Planning — A Special and Urgent Concern (click to read)
After reading that there is no way you can say with any intellectual honesty that Rev Martin Luther King jr would support Issa in any way shape or form.
If you ask me Issa should be ashamed for trying to associate Dr. King with this garbage.
- 5 votes
Any women who vote for any GOP candidate is beyond my comprehension.
- 10 votes
#5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:15 PM ESTApparently Issa is not aware that King was a firm believer in the separation of church and state.
This is what he said in regards to the ending of school prayer:
"I endorse it. I think it was correct. Contrary to what many have said,
it sought to outlaw neither prayer nor belief in God. In a pluralistic
society such as ours, who is to determine what prayer shall be spoken,
and by whom? Legally, constitutionally or otherwise, the state certainly
has no such right. I am strongly opposed to the efforts that have been
made to nullify the decision. They have been motivated, I think, by
little more than the wish to embarrass the Supreme Court."
- 13 votes
#6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:41 PM ESTDarrell Issa
Is an example of what happens when a dumb arse father uses a party balloon with a slow leak..
- 7 votes
#7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:44 PM ESTI laughed when he said JFK
with how much he's known for playing, i think he'd be the last person to be against contraception
- 6 votes
#8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:46 PM ESTWait a minute here. I got my little crystal ball here and it says the Democrats are going to win in a land slide next November.
yup, that's what it says.
- 8 votes
#10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:07 PM ESTI have one of those black Magic 8 Balls and whenever I turn it over it says, "All signs point to YES"
- 7 votes
If the hearing was about religious freedom, why were people complaining that no one was called to talk about contraception?
- 1 vote
#11 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:09 PM ESTHow does religious freedom play in to this except in a totally twisted, convoluted way.
I want my freedom FROM religion!
- 6 votes
How does religious freedom play in to this except in a totally twisted, convoluted way.
What news have you been reading or watching?
What news have you been reading or watching?
Probably the same news I've been reading and watching, i.e., DNFTT.
- 2 votes
How dare this little cretin to compare what he is doing to MLK or JFK! He is not capable of even kissing the feet of either of these men. He is against the poor, the elderly, sick, kids and now his newest victims are women. You picked on the wrong ones, Mr. Issa. You essentially cinched the re-election of President Obama and the kicking to the curb of yourself and any of the Republican committee members that support you in this. We are not second class citizens and we will not shut up and sit down and be good girls, while you and your lying bunch run over us and take away rights. You remember the year of the woman? You have just re-enacted it and we will be heard! To hold a discussion on health issues and contraception and not ONE woman be on the panel, says volumes about your intent. Well why didn't you all bring the Burkkas that will be the next thing you try. I am mad as a hornet about this, especially in view of the fact of the things women have accomplished and done for each and every man on that panel and on this board. Now do you think we are just going to hump up and take this? Not on your lives! We have come too far to go back now and we simply will not!
- 13 votes
#12 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:10 PM ESTA GOP panel on womens health and contraception with NO Democrat women allowed to testify...end of story!
This should make all Republicans proud to be in the GOP or NOT! I'm only surprised that Issa didn't call all the women in attendance smelly wenches and demand one of them bring him coffe and donuts.
I don't see how any woman in her right mind could vote for a Santorum or a Romney...they are both neanderthals!
I just love how the GOP always invokes the name of Dr King and then launch into the most racist and sexist nonsense one could imagine.
- 11 votes
#13 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:17 PM ESTLooks like the plan of the GOP to bring into the "Big Tent" women and minorities and lock up their votes is off to a good start...
The GOP: Taking Our Country Back - to the 1800's - We'll win the White House back One White Male at a Time!
- 7 votes
#14 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:57 PM ESTWe need to call this what it is
A War on Women
They started with abortion but then go to birth control. Next stop is discussed by Candidate Santorum who says we should only be having 'special sex' Don't worry about what that is, just elect him and the him and his church will write the law to let you know exactly when, were and how often you may be granted permission to have sex.
- 6 votes
#15 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:00 PM ESTIssa has his committee "investigating" something he has no business in. One more political stunt by the GOP's designated hit man.
- 5 votes
#16 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:22 PM ESTWell, I'm physically sick now. I could say some real jacked-up @!$%# right now(from a black man's perspective) But... I'll spare you all I don't want to look like 'The Angry Black Guy...'
- 8 votes
#17 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM ESTIssa is such a loser. How did he get so far into politics? that's right, he's republican, they have such low standards regarding credibility and integrity.
- 4 votes
#18 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:31 PM ESTAnd I don't want to look like the old Black and White angry woman , so no comment !
- 6 votes
#19 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:33 PM ESTAre these people trying *again* to revised history to fit their agendas? MLK would not ever have sanctioned against women's rights. To do so would have contradicted everything he fought for civil rights. To support the rights of one group and not another just is very much wrong.
- 5 votes
#20 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:38 PM ESTI cannot stand Issa (Ex car thief and a-hole that he is). He has done nothing for his district and spends all his time trying to get Obama. What a waste of time and tax payer money these hearings are. How can the people in his district even think he is worth voting for?
- 6 votes
#21 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:38 PM ESTBut as Adam Serwer points out, King actually wrote that he hoped States and Federal Governments would appropriate "large sums of money" to educate people about birth control.
King was "progressive" and Issa wants to be retrogressive. We woman are not going backwards and we will not going quietly into the night. This is a fight for our health and our lives. We out number men and those men who defy us, will pay - with their jobs and their reputations.
- 10 votes
#22 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:49 PM ESTIssa and his Mullahs want to push women back into the Dark Ages.
- 3 votes
#23 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:00 PM ESTThe comparison to MLK is a pretty big stretch. Even if you agree that the healthcare regulations somehow oppress the Church, the damage being done - I don't think - can be equated to what MLK was fighting against.
Meanwhile Democrats are showing they are no stranger to distortions of the truth either.
House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) has been catching flack for holding a panel today relating to women's access to birth control...
This is simply not true. All those religious leaders are there because the official mission of the committee is "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?"Contraception is not the issue. The regulation could have been about anything.
...that featured zero women
And this is also less than true - intentionally I suspect. The committee heard from two panels today, and the second one included females Dr. Allison Dabbs Garrett of Oklahoma Christian University and Dr. Laura Champion, Medical Director of Calvin College Health Services.
They also took a video into evidence of a news conference held by students from Catholic University, Georgetown, and American University who spoke in support of the administration's position on the regulation. This group included several women.
So the committee has heard from women and they have heard from dissenting voices.
Ya know it's pretty sexist to insist that a woman is needed on a panel because you assume any woman would automatically agree with the liberal view.
I have been happy to bring you the truth. You are now free to go back to making stuff up.
#24 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:00 AM ESTWoman are the majority of this country. One might think that they would be the majority on the committee no matter their views.
- 4 votes
If it was about separation of church and state, how many constitutional scholars did they have testify?
- 4 votes
Woman are the majority of this country. One might think that they would be the majority on the committee no matter their views.
That's pretty sexist.
If it was about separation of church and state, how many constitutional scholars did they have testify?
The members of the panel were there because, as Mr. Issa said:
This hearing is about basic question of religious freedom, and whether or not protection will be afforded to religious institutions who wish to follow their conscience in refusing to pay for products they find morally objectionable.
These people are the ones with a beef. You could trot in constitutional scholar after constitutional scholar. What would that accomplish? Call in 50 of them and you'd get 50 different opinions. Courts decide the constitutionality of laws and regulations, not congressional panels.
Courts decide the constitutionality of laws and regulations, not congressional panels.
So what was the point of the sausagefest, then?
- 4 votes
So what was the point of the sausagefest, then?
This has been explained over and over. You simply don't want to hear it because it doesn't sound that nefarious. These people all represent religious institutions that would like to be excused from complying with this regulation.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone else's health plan, nor is it about contraception in general. These people aren't trying to outlaw birth control. They just don't want to be part of the supply chain. This "war on contraception" is a complete fantasy invented by people who have a beef with organized religion.
Not a word against the fact that insurance covers vasectomies and has for some time...what rank hypocrisy where is the churchs' outrage for all the birth control the have already paid for? Oh but for women its different , right? An aspirin between the legs ought to suffice. I swear to you cons you are going down big time with this unprecedented disrespect of women ...65%+ of females will vote for the President and against you misogynist agenda this time around...
- 12 votes
#25 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:17 AM ESTNot to mention the number of other conditions that birth control is necessary for other than fertility. Vasectomies are only good for one thing, but the church never speaks out against them.
- 7 votes
Vasectomies, erectile dysfunction, and prostrate cancer are but a few of male illnesses that are covered by insurance. But heaven forbid if birth control is used for other purposes than preventing pregnancy which there are many.
Once and not for all, Men should not determine what is best for women's health issues. Religion has no place in these decisions except by the woman. She and she alone must make that decision.
- 4 votes
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